Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:48:54 -0500 (EST)
From: J.W. Patterson <jwpatt00@pop.uky.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list CX-L <cx-l@debate.net>
Subject: TOC Ghost Bids Revisited
POLICY ON GHOST BIDS
In spite of all my efforts,there still seems to be considerable
misunderstanding about the change that we have made in awarding a TOC Ghost
Bid. In fact, several have asked, "what is a ghost bid?"
1. A "Ghost Bid" is one that is awarded when a debater or a team
meets a person from their school, but only one of them advances but both
receive a TOC bid.
2. The major change for this year is that the debater or debaters
from the same school who meet in an elimination round must have won at
least one elimination round prior to meeting for both to receive a bid. I
will try to illustrate all possible scenarios below.
A. If a tournament is a TOC qualifier at the Octofinals level and
breaks to double octos, and debaters from
the same school meet in double octos, only the debater who advances to the
octos gets a bid. The one who did not advance did not win an elimination
round and does not get a bid. For example, at St. Mark"s this year, in both
policy and LD, debaters from the same school met in double-octas. Since St.
Mark"s is a qualifier in both divisions at the octas level, but broke to
doubles, the debaters who did not advance to the octas did not receive a
bid because they had not won an elimination round when they met in doubles.
On the other hand, had they met debaters from other schools in doubles and
won, and then met their own school in octas, each would have received a
bid, because they had both won an out round, and reached the qualifying
round of the tournament.
B. If a tournament is a TOC qualifier at the quarterfinals level
but breaks to octofinals, and debaters from the same school meet in
octofinals, only the debater that advances to the quarterfinals gets a bid.
The debater who did not advance did not win an elimination round and does
not get a bid.
C. If a tournament is a TOC qualifier at the semifinals level and
breaks to quarters and debaters from the same school meet in quarters, only
the debater who advances to the semifinals gets a bid. The debater who did
not advance did not win an elimination round and does not get a bid.
D. If a tournament is a qualifier in the finals level and breaks
to semis and debaters from the same school meet in semis, only the debater
who advances to the finals gets a bid. The debater who did not advance did
not win an elimination round. and does not get a bid.
E. If a tournament is a qualifier at the finals level and breaks
to finals and debaters from the same school meet, only one of them gets a
bid because the one not chosen by the coach or the won who lost if a debate
in held, did not win an elimination round and does not get a bid.
PLEASE NOTE: SUPPOSE A TOURNAMENT BREAKS TO DOUBLES AND IT"S A TOC
QUAL AT QUARTERS, THEN WHAT? IF A TEAM OR LD DEBATER WINS THE DOUBLE
OCTA'S, BUT GETS ADVANCED OVER BY A TEAM OR LD DEBATER FROM THE SAME SCHOOL
IN OCTAS, THEN THEY BOTH RECEIVE A BID BECAUSE THEY HAVE BOTH WON AN
ELIMINATION ROUND BEFORE MEETING A TEAM OR DEBATER FROM THEIR OWN SCHOOL.
JW PATTERSON
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